Has Canada gone Gender Crazy?

I sit down with Jack to discuss some of the issues that are hot topics in Canada right now. We talk scandals, Gender and cost of living. Jack can be found on Twitter at @jackdan110

Transcript

[00:00] Russell: All right. And we're back. Russell here with the Canadian Conservative podcast. And today I have Jack from Alberta here. How you doing, Jack?

[00:11] Jack: Pretty good, thanks, Russell. How are you doing?

[00:13] Russell: Not too bad. Just getting back in the swing of things today. Our topic is. Well, has Canada gone crazy? Are we nuts now?

[00:22] Jack: Yes. Yes. Yes, we are completely crazy.

[00:27] Russell: What do you think is the number one issue in Canada right now that we need to be focusing on the number one issue?

[00:34] Jack: Well, probably what happened today with a bloc and NDP voting together against a non confidence vote with the Liberals, that's probably a huge issue. I just got told about that, so I need to find out more details on it. But of course, it's just. Wow. So that's a big issue. Another big issue, of course, is how are the Liberals still in charge? That's another big issue. There's. There's so many. You got to narrow it down. There's a lot wrong right now.

[01:00] Russell: Well, let's talk, uh, quickly, like no confidence vote. Are you surprised that the NDP and the block kind of kept the government propped up the way it is right now?

[01:10] Jack: No, not at all. That doesn't shock me whatsoever. They seem to just thrive on chaos is what's it just, you know, just coming from a very down to earth, like, you know, just looking at it, like, it just seems like they're just thriving on a whole bunch of chaos. And it's just. It's insane to watch, like, what they're doing, what they're saying. You know, you have Mark Gidderson calling people to go outside with him, like, to fight, like, in the. In the house. I'm like, what is happening here yet is a.

[01:37] Russell: Catch me outside. How about that moment?

[01:40] Jack: Yeah, catch me outside.

[01:43] Russell: So what do you think is the biggest liberal scandal going on in Canada?

[01:49] Jack: That they know what they're doing. Sorry. Biggest liberal scandal right now going on is rye scam arrives, whatever they called it. That's one of the big ones. There's so many to pick from, you know, but that one jumps out the most because that's, you know, obviously there was a lot of wrongdoing there. So it's. It's pretty funny that they're trying to cover that up and move on ever so quietly because that's what they like to do when anybody's caught. They're just like, oh, no, ignore it. So.

[02:17] Russell: But it's worked so far. How many scandals do you think the liberal government's been involved in since they got in in 2015?

[02:24] Jack: Well, I'm not a political professor, but I would say a lot, from what we've seen. A lot. Many. Many. Yeah, there's. There's too many to count. There really is. There's a lot of. There's so many things that have just gone so questionably wrong. And, you know, Canadians wanted an answer. Nobody ever got an answer. We all got. You know, they throw money at people saying, oh, here, we're doing such a good thing for you. Like, with that. That carbon tax. You know how they're. Oh, they're giving us money. They're making it so much better. They're not. You're actually paying in way more than you're getting back. It doesn't make sense.

[02:58] Russell: Well, the carbon tax, I say eight out of ten Canadians get back more than they put in. So is that a social program, then?

[03:06] Jack: Get back more than what they put in? That's what they're saying, yeah.

[03:10] Russell: Like, they get. They get a rebate back, and they. Basically. The rebate is more than they put in, huh?

[03:19] Jack: That's what they're saying. They're getting. No, the way I saw it was that we're not getting as much back as we had put in. You know, me, I follow most of the gender ideology stuff, so that's pretty much what I follow.

[03:30] Russell: Okay, well, let's pivot, then. Let's talk gender ideology.

[03:34] Jack: Oh, God. Sure.

[03:37] Russell: What do you think the biggest fight in gender ideology is right now?

[03:40] Jack: The biggest fight right now, I would say, is parental involvement and how the world has somehow pivoted to. It's bad to have parents involved in their children's lives and the lies being told about that, how parents won't understand how governments will have the blood of dead children on their hands, how so many people will be. You know how everybody's a terrible person for wanting to be involved in their own children's lives. You know how it's such a bad, bad thing when, like, 20 years ago, if you had this conversation, of course it would never have been this way. But something has happened, something has changed, and things are being really, really forced at people now. And it's kind of. Well, not kind of. It's actually quite disingenuous and disgusting that people are getting away with this and just slamming people and smearing people for just having a different opinion and silencing them and de platforming them and canceling them. Like, cancel culture is running rampant right now.

[04:42] Russell: Yeah, cancel culture is a really big topic right now in Canada and kind of the western world itself. And I've always had a thought on cancel culture and I've expressed it before that the ideologues know that they can't unalive you themselves because they're terrified of going to jail. So what they do instead is they make your life so miserable, they isolate you. They enact a type of struggle session on you to get you so that your friends turn on you, your family turns on you. You lose your job, you lose your home, you lose everything. And their hope is that you will unalive yourself.

[05:28] Jack: It's interesting, isn't it? Nobody wants to have a conversation. Everybody just wants to scream and yell. And when you have people that come in and they simply want to have a conversation, um, it doesn't happen. You're. You're immediately labeled. I feel extremely bad for parents because they are being told that they're transphobes or bigots or racists or white supremacists just for asking questions. And it's. It's really interesting to me to see these far left go at them so hard when all these parents want to do is obviously make sure that their children are well taken care of. Nobody cares if someone's like, trans. Go ahead, be trans, right? Have fun. You know, you're a grown man, you're a grown woman. Go off and do whatever you want to do. That's totally great. They're worried about their own children, you know? And so instead of having the conversation with the parents, everybody's just decided to label them and call them all sorts of names and wear t shirts that say, protect Terrence kids. And then they have a huge knife on it. Like, what's the message you're sending there? You're going to kill them? Is that what you're going to do? You're going to kill anybody that talks to you? That's dumb.

[06:31] Russell: The most interesting thing to me about this whole. The whole trans debate is the hypocrisy of it. So a few years ago, the big thing with the lgbt movement, whatever community, that whole thing was the idea that we needed to smash heteronormativity, right? If a guy wanted to wear a dress, if a girl wanted to wear jeans, no one should care. It's not a. It doesn't mean anything.

[07:01] Jack: It.

[07:02] Russell: It doesn't mean that they're gay, lesbian, straight, whatever. Like, you know, and. And they would use examples of, like, the Scottish wearing the kilts or the, you know, different dress from around the world where men dress more effeminate and say, that doesn't make them any less of a man. Now it's evolved. Where we want to smash heteronormativity. And now, if, you know, your son says today, hey, I want to wear a dress or whatever, because they see their sister wearing a dress or whatever and that they're like, okay, time to book the surgery. It's time. We're in on it now. It's, you know, it to me, it's like, well, you know, kids, you know, they live very much so in a bit of a. I guess, a imaginary world. I mean, they believe in stuff like Santa Claus and that. And we allow that because we want them to have, like, a sense of wonder about the world and magic about the world.

[08:01] Jack: The.

[08:01] Russell: The problem becomes now the hypocrisy. To me, one day it was about smashing heteronormativity, and now it's almost reinforcing the heteronormativity where, okay, well, you have two souls now. You have, you know, your. Your soul is wrong with your body, and you want to wear this, well, that doesn't actually match, you know, your sex. So now time to change things for you.

[08:26] Jack: It's interesting. In the eighties and nineties, what we had fought for was to be equal, equal rights, you know, and the ability to get married and the ability just to live your life normally and to be accepted into society. And we approached it from a, hey, we're just like you. It's just we just like the same sex, you know, like, that's it. There was a fight, but it did. It did happen because we showed everybody that we're just like them. You know, this is who we are, and we won those rights, which is great. Now what we're seeing is people not showing how much like we are with them, but instead demanding that you are treated a special way and demanding that you use a certain pronoun, and demanding that you need to affirm a grown man or woman or trans man or trans woman for what they want. I mean, you know, you have people saying that they're. They thems and all that, and fantastic. You can't demand people go ahead and play with that. You know, like, it's. It's. It's. It's really mind boggling when it comes to children. It's. It's very wrong to try to. How can I put this? When I was a kid, I wanted to be a dinosaur, right? So if it was today, they were. Probably would have taken me to the hospital, put a tail on me, and then you're a dinosaur, right? You know, that's an extreme, of course, uh, way of putting it, but it's kind of what's happening here today. I was a very, very feminine boy, right? And I used to play in women's clothes and my mom's high heels and all that stuff when I was a kid. Right. It was a phase, and that's fine. I'm not saying everybody goes through a phase, you know, and I know how touchy the left is, so it's really, really difficult to have these conversations because in my mind, I'm actually running through what they would say for myself. It was a phase, and it was great, you know? And then I grew up and I grew out of it, which is what you're seeing a lot of now. You know, you're seeing a lot of people who are identifying as trans. They're teenagers and all that, but they're growing up and they're growing out of it. Some are detransitioning, and you're seeing a lot of cancel culture when it comes to the d transitioners because nobody wants to have those stories told. They're saying things like, d transitioners never existed because they were never trans to begin with. Well, then why did they become trans? You know, and as far as not involving them in conversations, those are the first people I'd want to talk to. Those are the people I'd want to talk to. Well, what happened? You know, tell me what happened there. Like, that's what I'd want to understand first. It just kind of blows my mind that way.

[10:47] Russell: And, well, I think. I think for the left, too, when someone leaves the cult, it's like they're apostate, right? These. They don't exist. Right? They're apostates. They were never one of us in the first place. Because to believe that, to believe that you are in the wrong body is to believe that in, like, a gendered soul and that surgery is necessary to correct it. And I think for a lot of those people on the left, they just think, okay, that surgery needs to start as young as possible because these kids don't need to go through the pain of puberty, per se. Like it's some type of, you know, unnatural thing that needs to be halted and stopped and modified at all costs.

[11:38] Jack: Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. As we're seeing now. You're seeing more and more things coming out of. Out of european countries and every. It's funny. Canada's the only place really going full force forward on this. You know, it really is. Everybody else is putting a halt to it and saying, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's no proof here that this is working. There are some instances where it's actually harming people, it's harming children. Let's stop, look at what's going on. Do a study, an actual unbiased study with, you know, a whole big group, and let's find out what the truth is behind this. I mean, so you've got these things, you've got nhs that have just released that. They paused it. They paused it now and said, okay, now wait a minute. There's something very wrong here. So they've gone ahead and done that. Then you've got the WPAT files, which just came out and shows it pokes very, quite a few holes into the whole gender affirming care kit. I'm going to call it really, really shows that they're building the plane or they're flying the plane while they're building it. Someone had said that, and I'm quoting her. And forgive me, I know who it is, but I forget her name. I can't pronounce.

[12:42] Russell: Well, I think one of the things, too, is, you know, when it comes to medical treatment, that sort of thing, let's say I was 25 years old and I went to the doctor and I said, well, I want to get on TRT. You know, my testosterone is low. Microplastics, vegetable oil, whatever. It lowered my testosterone. Now I want to increase it. The doctors probably not going to prescribe you TRT. They're going to tell you to work out. They're going to tell you to, you know, eat healthier, those different things like that. If I went to a doctor and I said that I was transgender and I wanted testosterone, I think. What was the one? Was it rebel news recently? I think it, it was one of the news agencies recently that.

[13:31] Jack: CBC Radio in Quebec.

[13:33] Russell: Yes, yes. CBC Radio in Quebec, 14 minutes. They were able to get an order of hormones.

[13:40] Jack: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it was incredibly fast. And then the reporter still actually, she stands by it. She's like, no, this is really what happened because everybody on the left is trying to pick it apart in Canada. Everybody else around the world is like, holy. But, uh, everybody in Canada is like, no, no, no, that's not happening. This isn't what happening. And so they, they just, they dug their heels in. Like, the facts are really emerging now. So why would you not look at these facts?

[14:07] Russell: What did, what ended up happening to that news station? Didn't they get their windows smashed out or something like that?

[14:12] Jack: Oh, yeah. Because the second you try to, the second you actually prove that you know, things are not what they seem. You're a target. You're a target from. Oh, gosh, from the radical trans rights activists, from antifa type things, from politicians that are on the left. You know, you're a target then. And it's really disgusting because they won't have a conversation about it. They won't even stop and go, hey, you know, what is going on here? Like, you know, maybe we should wake up and pull our heads out of our butts and. And actually go, okay, well, all right, let's look at this and look what's happening. But instead, they just dig their heels in, make themselves look really bad, go on vandalized, ruin people's lives, smear them all over the place, you know, do whatever they can to discredit someone just for having a different opinion. And often those opinions are correct, and they don't like that, which is. It just shows me how radicalized this has become. Everybody calls us far right. We're not far right. The left has gone for so far left that now centrist looks far right.

[15:11] Russell: Let's bring it back to Alberta for a second. So conservative government got in, and they've been enacting a lot of policies. One of them is a policy on transgenderism and trans kids and kind of making more of like a guiding document.

[15:32] Jack: It's proposed. It's not even. It's a proposed policy. It's not an actual policy. It's just proposed. I know that they're still meeting with people. Like, they've said, they're still meeting with people. So. And discussing this. So this was proposed, but, yeah, go on.

[15:47] Russell: It seemed to get a lot of backlash, of course, you know, the backlash from the tras, but then it got a lot of backlash from the. From the conservative right as well, that it wasn't going far enough.

[15:59] Jack: Mm hmm. It's difficult being a gay conservative, or at least a gay with conservative values. You find yourself in the middle of getting attacked from all sides sometimes. There is a far right faction, of course, and you do get attacked by that. I've been victim of that myself as well, you know, because I. I'm proud I'm gay, proud of who I am proud of, you know, just proud to be me. Everybody should be proud of themselves, right? So I'm proud of me, proud of what I've gone through and proud of what I stood for. And some people have a problem with that, and they really call you out for it and say, why would you be proud to be gay? Why would you be proud to sleep with men. That just shows they don't understand, really, why I'm proud. So I do get it from the right, the extreme right, I should say. And then. Yeah, from the extreme left as well. So I know a lot of people thought that the proposed policies weren't far enough. Not a lot. Quite a few thought they weren't. This is a great start. You know, this is a great place to be, to have the conversation, to open it up, you know, to see, you know, what can be done, what is being done, what isn't being done, and what should we look at and what should we work on? This is why it's important to have this conversation. Instead, people are shutting it down, ignoring it, deplatforming it, saying, don't give these people a platform, that type of thing. You know, they don't want the conversation at all. And it really makes me wonder, well, what are your motivations behind that?

[17:21] Russell: You know, rules for radicals, beautiful trouble. The kind of the playbook for shutting down criticism and ensuring that your ideology, your beliefs, rise above everyone else's.

[17:35] Jack: Yep. And to drown out anyone else with your rhetoric. If you notice, a lot of us are just speaking. That's it. Just talking. But we are being drowned out. MSM doesn't really want to cover us. They don't want to talk to us. They don't. They play more into the other side, which is. And I hate saying sides. It's so interesting that this has become such a polarized instance where you're either with them 100% or you're not even part of the gay community. You are not part of us. We don't want any part of you. That's what's. And I'm firsthand account of that, so.

[18:12] Russell: Well, everyone acts like the. The gay community is some type of, like, monolith where all the gays get together in some sort of, like, I don't know, basement, and they all vote on, you know, what to be offended about. But I'm pretty sure that community itself has a lot of its own subcultures and its own rules and belief systems, its own norms.

[18:38] Jack: Yeah, the gay community has a lot of sub. Sub categories and subcultures inside of the own. Inside of its own community. Right? There's a lot of them, like, you know, there's all sorts of drag queens, there's transsexuals, there's. There's a furry crowd, there's the bisexuals, there's the lesbians. You know, there's everybody. And then there's subcultures. Within those, you know, so it's really a complex dynamic that you have within that community. And it's great. And at one time, at one time years ago, it was, it really was a community. Everybody was actually there for each other and everybody really cared about each other. You know, if somebody was having a tough time at home, you went to the community, you know, you had your friends you could talk to and all that. It was great. You know, if you were acting like an idiot, you had your friends that would call you out and say, look, you're acting like a complete idiot. I know I've been called out many times because I wasn't, oh, I made some bad choices, let me tell you. But it's, it's interesting now because you can't have this conversation on this particular subject without being completely excommunicated from the community. But you want.

[19:42] Russell: But who's pulling, who's pulling the strings, though? I gotta interrupt only because I gotta ask. Who's pulling the strings? Because people have a, people have a social face and people have a personal face. And so you talk to people social face and they're down with the cause. And then you talk to people privately. And a lot of the times I'm hearing people say, you know, I just think that's a little too far and maybe that's a little crazy and maybe we don't need those books in the library. It makes us look bad. And I'm like, well, why don't you just say that publicly? And they're like, well, you know, you can't. Well, who's pulling the strings? Who's saying you can't?

[20:20] Jack: The leaders of the community for one, who, who are very, very much on the side of the far left. Then you have NDP, which are very, very much on the side of the far left if you speak out at all. And this is what a lot of the gays and lesbians and bisexuals, this is what everybody knows. I'm just, everybody, they all know this. If you speak out, if you think differently, you will totally be blacklisted. You will. You'll be blackballed. But the thing that you need to understand is it's okay to be blacklisted and blackballed and canceled. It's all right. It's actually quite freeing, you know, it's great. You don't have to pretend anymore. You don't have to, like, go with the flow and be quiet and not give your own opinion because you're scared to death that your friends aren't going to talk to you ever again. You know, if your friends are going to not talk to you because you have a strong opinion about something, then they were never your friends. You know, and that's what's disgusting. And the fact that you have these political figures that are coming in and they're actually in, forcing this upon the people. Like, don't you dare speak out, and don't you dare. And you'd better support this, and you better support that. And if you don't, oh, my God, it's insane. Like, what is wrong with you people? You've turned into the bullies. Like, you've become the bullies. You've stopped all conversations. You've become a bully. You know what? Why, why would they do that?

[21:40] Russell: But it's, it's strange to me because, you know, the, the messaging from the left that we've heard from years is, you know, be yourself, be yourself. Right? You're, you're, this is post enlightenment liberal values. You can be yourself. And then as soon as you be yourself, people are like, well, not like that.

[22:00] Jack: It's true. We used to be able to be ourselves. We could be whatever we wanted to be. We. It was, it was a very, it was great. I mean, my time in the gay community was, I had a lot of fun, and I had some really, really great people around me, and then things happen. But anyway, you could be yourself, and you could do whatever you wanted to do, and everybody was fine with it. Nobody was forcing anyone to believe anything, though, like that said, nobody was forcing this, and nobody even put it in their mind to go near children. Like, this wasn't even a thing. Like, you want to go and read stories in a library. Fantastic. I don't know why you want to, because the lighting is absolutely terrible. Like, I don't know why you'd want to go there. That should be a deterrent on its own. Well, but you know what? Like, some parents want to take their kids to that. Do whatever you want. But as far as this whole thing, like, with the transing of kids and, you know, and just, you know, transing the gay away, they hate when we say that, but that's actually what's happening. As we've seen more and more, a lot of, you know, they're actually trying, it looks as though they're trying to erase the LNG. Like, they're kind of, what do they call us now? Did you see that, Russ? Same gender loving whatever. They tried to call us that now, instead of gay. Yeah.

[23:11] Russell: Hmm.

[23:11] Jack: Yeah. Or instead of homosexual, same gender loving someone in the chat. Does anybody know that? Can't remember. Anyway, sorry, Russ.

[23:19] Russell: Going back to the idea of individualism, you know, people. I think when people can't be themselves and just be there, it's funny. I hate to say this, like, true, authentic self. And when I say true, authentic self, I mean, you know, not. Not like the left, where it's like, well, it just means I'm going to spout a bunch of b's and that. But, you know, when people self censor. I was. I'm reading Doctor Phil's. Doctor Phil's new book. We've got issues. And I think it's. I think he. In the book, he said like, 70%. Oh, someone says it's omni gender.

[24:02] Jack: Yeah, that's Ami. Yeah, that's what Rich says.

[24:04] Russell: Hey, rich, I think 70% of people self censor.

[24:08] Jack: Mm hmm.

[24:09] Russell: When you look at. When you look at even drug addiction and stuff like that, one of the tenants of people getting addicted to substances is they. They don't feel like they're really themselves. And so when they're addicted to. When they're high, when they're drunk, then their real selves come out. Not the. The part that they suppress. You know, we're supposed to promote individuality, rugged individuality. And then we're supposed to come together, not as a collective, but as individuals with common causes. And instead, it's on many fronts. Join this camp. You must. And then you must follow these norms. And if you step out of these norms at all, then you're expelled from this camp. Whether it be right or left, doesn't matter.

[24:59] Jack: Yeah, they like to. They also like to discredit anyone that comes out and says anything as well by saying that they have internalized homophobia, which I sure don't, and neither does anyone else, you know?

[25:13] Russell: But let's talk about the term phobia. Phobia is an irrational fear. Yeah, that's the. If I have arachnophobia, if I see a spider, I'm losing my mind. I'm going, like, fight or flight takes over. All reason is leaving me. The monkey brain is activated, and that. So I'm going full, like, just primitive mode to either kill that spider, freeze, or get the. Get the hell out of there.

[25:44] Jack: Yeah, that. That.

[25:46] Russell: That's a phobia. So when someone says someone is homophobic like that, that would be an irrational fear. So, like, an irrational fear would be to see, let's say, two men together and be like, oh, they're gonna. They're gonna give me AIDS by breathing the same air as me. Yeah, you know, that might be, that might be something that could be construed as homophobic, but, yeah, you know, saying that you don't agree with, you know, Lumston High School and Saskatchewan with cards being passed out to teenagers to teach them about fisting and that is somehow homophobic.

[26:21] Jack: Yeah, it's. It's insane. The language that they're using and the manipulation that they use towards everybody. Then everybody starts to feel really bad about themselves and, oh, my gosh, you better not say anything. And they just want you silent. That's what they want. They want you silent. Don't buy into any of the crap. Like, seriously, you can't buy into it. Um, when I was getting smeared, they were saying things like, the internalized homophobia is strong with that one. That's what they were talking about me. And I'm like, bitch, I was a drag queen. I have no internalized homophobia. Thank you. Say what you want to try to silence me, but I'm still going to talk. Like. And anybody that knows me, those who know me better know a lot better.

[26:59] Russell: Drag queen storytime hour. You're a former drag queen?

[27:02] Jack: Yeah.

[27:03] Russell: What are your thoughts on drag queen storytime hour? Why are, let's discount the parents that decide to bring their kids there for a second? Because I think that's one of the key factors, if not the most key factor of it all, is the people that decide to bring their children there. But what goes, in your opinion? I mean, we can't mind read people, but being that you're, you know, accustomed to those circles, what do you think goes on in the mind of one of those drag queens?

[27:31] Jack: I don't know. I really don't know. I've never had the inkling to be near children when I was in drag. And this isn't calling anyone a groomer or anything like that. That's not what I'm doing. I'm running through what the left is saying on my head. It's never occurred to me. When they first started in Edmonton, I remember hearing about it. This is just before I left about 2015, and I thought, well, why would you do that? That's not an audience. Don't know what's really going on in some of the things that I've actually, some of the investigative work that I've done and talking with, you know, current drag queens. Oh, yeah, they're paid rich. A lot of them had started off with the best intentions, and a lot of them had said they were getting paid. Uh, the bars weren't paying them. So drag queens will go out and get gigs wherever and they get paid for it, right? So that's what they were saying. I think when they first started, I think they thought they had the best intentions. However, now a lot of these queens that are doing it are doing it strictly to be political and they really don't care. You know, they don't, they don't care about what's going on. They just want to be political and involved some way in a political way. And it's, to me, it's like, holy cow, like it's. I can't even, I can't wrap my head around it because I've never wanted to do it.

[28:45] Russell: So do you think it's clout? Do you think they're doing it for clout? Like, they know, like, if they're going to do this, they know there's going to be some. Because, I mean, at the end of the day, your biggest haters are your biggest promoters, right? So we know they know if they're, if they're gonna go up there and they're gonna read a book to kids and they're, and they're dressed like an absolute mess that it's gonna end up on libs of TikTok or some other page and they're gonna get a bunch of publicity. They're gonna get a bunch of people flooding to their instagram to follow them and say, no, no, queen, I support you.

[29:22] Jack: I don't, I honestly don't know. I am so far detached from the gay community, from the bar scene gay community. I should say that I really don't know what's going on there. Any, any of the research I've done and any of the people that I've talked to from the community. The only thing I've ever heard back is that nobody wants to admit that they've gone too far because they're afraid that the right, that the conservatives will sit there and pick apart and dismantle the gay community piece by piece, which is utter crap, you know? It's utter crap. All of this could have been avoided. All of this totally could have been avoided if, you know, they had stood up and said, hey, wait a minute, you know what? Yeah, we went a little bit too far here. Like, that's it. Nobody. And that would have been it, you know, but everybody's just carried this on now to the point where we're actually, you know, screaming at parents because they don't want to let their children take, you know, cross sex hormones.

[30:14] Russell: You're talking about taking it too far type thing.

[30:17] Jack: Yeah.

[30:18] Russell: The problem with being a progressive is that you can't draw a line in the sand because then you stop being progressive. As soon as you say, no, this is too far. Then you're stuck now because now you've stopped progressing. Now you've said, okay, well, this is my line in the sand. And now you're at the point now where you're conserving something. You may not be a conservative and that. With family values and that, all that sort of stuff, but now you're conserving something. Cause you're not progressing. So they. They get stuck in a spiral where as each new crazy thing, you know, like the. The meme, the NPC meme, where they're replacing the microchip in the NPC's brain. And it's like the new current thing to be outraged about.

[31:03] Jack: The current.

[31:04] Russell: The new current thing to put in your profile or whatever it is. They. They feel like they. Well, okay, well, I have to keep going because if I stop, if I say no, that's. That's a step too far. Then. Then I'm in trouble because all those people that have given me all this free attention, this narcissistic attention now are going to turn on me or abandon me, and I might end up with some unsavory characters on my side, whatever they decide that is.

[31:37] Jack: Yeah, it's just interesting. It's not even interesting. It's sad is what it is, that everybody's just gotten to this point. It really has. You have entire communities, gay and straight, being torn apart and ripped apart by all of this. And then you have these people who are leaders, who are encouraging people to rip it apart and to make a stand one way or the other and just to have that chip in their head. And this is the way we think now. You know, it's very sad. It's really, really sad. And I think that these people just really need to step back and take a look at what they've done.

[32:10] Russell: Let's pivot a little bit here.

[32:12] Jack: Sure.

[32:13] Russell: Since we're talking about Canada. And have we all gone crazy in that? Let's talk about the crosswalk community.

[32:19] Jack: What do you mean? The crosswalk in wetland?

[32:22] Russell: No, no, I heard that on another show. I'll plug it really quick. Disaffected podcast. They were talking about painting the pride flag on the road, and someone said, oh, that's the crosswalk community. And I. And I got a good laugh out of that one.

[32:41] Jack: You know what? You want to paint a crosswalk in the pride, fellers. Go right ahead. But I also want one for the veterans, and I also want one the Jews, and I also want one for everybody else. Like, I want one for the indigenous people. I want one for First nations people. You want to do a crosswalk? Great. You're just as special as the rest of us. And let's put all these other people out there that need to be out there, you know? I mean, heck, you want to have a crosswalk? Fine. Let's have crosswalks for everybody.

[33:08] Russell: I thought crosswalks, too. I thought they were governed by some pretty strict rules on. They are on standards of what needs to be painted so the cars know where the line is they need to stop at and where people know that they should be crossing and shouldn't be crossing. I thought there was some pretty. Pretty stuff.

[33:26] Jack: Yeah, there is. I mean, like, it's pretty. You know, for. First of all, I would never have done a crosswalk myself, personally, because how easy is that to vandalize? Somebody just screeches their car tires over it, for goodness sake, you know? So it's. And those are. Those are strict rules and regulations and bylaws that need to be enforced, and people are losing their minds because they're thinking it's not supportive, you know, that you don't have a crosswalk. Well, what the heck? Like, a crosswalk is going to make you feel good about yourself. You should feel good about yourself. Nobody else should try to make you feel good about yourself. I feel good about myself. I know tons of people that feel good about themselves. We don't need this. You know, we don't need that. And then, of course, you'll have the left saying, well, some people do. Well, then maybe those people need some mental health supports. You know, maybe they need some encouragement from the community. You know, that's what they need.

[34:18] Russell: Well, let's talk about encouragement. Let's talk about stuff like affirmation and that. So, one of the things that is quite popular to talk to mention is, you know, when. When a. Let's say a child decides they're transgender, that the goal is that we need to affirm them. I mean, the term they use sometimes is love bombing.

[34:42] Jack: That's a very narcissistic thing. I studied narcissists, narcopaths, psychopaths for a good five years, and I studied all that. So, like, yeah, okay. Carry on. Yeah. Love bombing is one of the techniques that they use.

[34:56] Russell: So, I mean, the first thing to do is to affirm, and for a lot of these kids, maybe they're on the spectrum or maybe they're not conforming to the standards that society. The society has for groups of people and that, you know, the whole norming stage of their lives. And so they declare that they're transgender, and now everyone has to affirm them. And I think, personally, I think this is a consequence of the activist teachers. One of the craziest things I ever saw, and it's happened many times now, the teacher that comes out to their students in class, and they say, you know, I'm missing so and so, and I'm announcing to the class that I have a girlfriend. And everyone's cheering. They're all waving the gay flags and all that. And they're cheering, yeah, you go, misses so and so. Or, you know, I was misses so and so, and now I'm mister so and so. And they're like, oh, my God, you're so stunning. You're so brave. But the thing is, is those kids don't have a choice. Can you imagine if you're that kid sitting in class and you're like, well, I don't agree with that. I don't think that's right.

[36:07] Jack: Yeah.

[36:08] Russell: Like, it's forced affirmation, it's forced participation, and it forces the kid to think to themselves, okay, this has to be normal, because if I don't agree with it, well, everybody hate you.

[36:22] Jack: Yeah. Just like in the community. The community. If you don't think community. Yeah, nobody's gonna. Yeah, nobody's gonna like you. So a lot of people just go along with it, you know? One in seven children now identify as queer. One in seven. Like, that is an anomaly. People are all celebrated. Huh.

[36:41] Russell: I thought that was super rare. I thought it was like. I thought that never happened.

[36:46] Jack: Well, queer is an interesting term. To a lot of us. It's a slur. A lot of us don't embrace that word at all because that word actually encompasses a lot of people that actually aren't even gay, so. But then again, it seems as though they're trying to get rid of the word gay, so they're queering the world. So one in seven identifies as queer. This is a complete anomaly. This is not normal. I mean, and then when you have so many children apparently coming out as trans, like children, when did this become a thing? When did this happen? When was this ever a thing? This was so rare. And everybody's like, oh, we have to protect our most vulnerable. When did 700 kids, you know, like, suddenly, when did this happen? Like, nobody's looking at it, nobody's using their brain and actually feeling, um, actually, you know, looking at it from a, from a scientific or even realistic point of view. Like, okay, maybe there's a trend going on here. You know, maybe, maybe these kids are just kind of like, you know, hey, my friend's a dog today, so I'm going to be a cat and I'm going to identify as this for the rest of school year. You know, that type of thing.

[37:52] Russell: Like a social contagion.

[37:54] Jack: Yes, that's the word I was looking for. Social contagion. Yeah. So, but then of course, then again, you've got these leaders sitting there saying if you don't affirm them, you're going to kill them, which is absolutely disingenuous, absolutely horrible to do, completely irresponsible to say. And by saying things like that and telling children that their government hates them and wants them to die, you're actually putting ideas into these kids heads. Like, what is wrong with you? Like, why would you think to do that? You are completely irresponsible. You know, it's disgusting. It is disgusting and disingenuous and I think it's, it's, it's really wrong. And those people should be charged.

[38:28] Russell: Now, the claim often is we need to have gender closets at school. So the kids come to school in their regular clothes. Then they go and they change into the clothing that better suits their gender identity.

[38:44] Jack: See, that was an interesting thing in the proposed policies. It was even stated that nobody's out to out anybody. Nobody's trying to make anybody be outed. However, if you do have someone in school who has expressed an interest and is changing in a gender closet and all that to want to be a different gender, you should probably inform the parents so that they can be better prepared to have that conversation with the child and have the resources there to have the conversation with them, you know?

[39:15] Russell: Well, don't, don't you know? If they do that, then the parents will unalive their child.

[39:20] Jack: Why isn't that just insane? That's insane. I mean, everybody's like using their own childhood traumas or perceived childhood traumas and projecting it onto some child that they don't even know. Like, it makes no sense. You cannot do that. That is just. No, absolutely not. I don't care how, what kind of degree you have. You're being an idiot. Like, it just, it makes me just, oh, I get so really upset at that.

[39:45] Russell: Canada. Canada's gone crazy. Conservative party. Do you think they're going to win the next election?

[39:50] Jack: Yes. Why do you think that it's funny? Well, I think that they'll win because so many people have had it. I think, however, that the liberal and NDP and bloc will do everything they can to prevent the Conservatives from winning. I think that they will try to do something to. To take over, which is disgusting. That's why it's very important that every canadian, every Canadian. I don't care if you're just sitting at home. I don't want to vote. You have to go and vote. You have to vote. You really do that. You have to get up this time. You can't let this carry on. So I don't know. I have hope. I have faith. I think a lot of people really, really do support Polyav. What do you think?

[40:37] Russell: He's polling really well. Conservative provincial governments are popping up across Canada. Yeah, but. But there is a kind of fear of peaking too early, and then all you can do from there is fall. And, I mean, we have the state broadcaster, we have CBC, they, you know, and other state broadcasters. And it seems like they're really against the Conservative Party. And the other problem is, like, for example, they had that government funded. This hour is 22 minutes.

[41:13] Jack: Yeah. This hour has 22 minutes. Yeah.

[41:15] Russell: And he went in there and he was shaking polio's hand.

[41:19] Jack: Saw that.

[41:21] Russell: And he's saying all these things, trying to get them rattled. And I'm like, but you're funded by the government. So is that not some type of interference?

[41:31] Jack: It is. And what's. What's super funny to me is that the Liberals and the NDP are like, oh, my gosh, you're using american style politics. Kettle. You just call that pot black.

[41:43] Russell: Yeah, but they know that. But they know that. They don't care. It's. It's rules for radicals. It's beautiful trouble. Accuse your opponent of doing everything that you do. Darvo tactics. You know, it's.

[41:56] Jack: It's disgusting. I don't know what happened to the NDP party. I really don't. This is not Jack Layton's NDP party. I met him, and this is not what he stood for. This is not it at all. You know, and so they've become simply a radicalized party. It's really disgusting.

[42:13] Russell: I mean, I grew up in Ontario, southern Ontario. So I had a good number of my family that were in, like, auto unions and that. And they were pretty staunch NDP's for the time because it was all about workers rights and. And that sort of thing, you know, making sure we keep auto jobs in Canada and we don't, you know, send them to Mexico. And. And now it's the NDP has gone from the working class to the chattering class because they don't really represent the working class anymore. The working class, you know, an auto worker makes like $30 to $40 an hour. And while it's very difficult, even with that wage in Canada, to really get ahead, they can at least limp by. But the working class, that's the, that's your corner store worker, that's your security guards. Like, that's the working class now, the ones that make minimum wage that are living, you know, in terrible housing and impoverished neighborhoods, and they're. And they say, well, you know, I'm really tired of my house being broken or my apartment being broken into. I'm really tired of being a victim of crime, you know, I'm trying to get to work, or I'm at work and I'm a convenience store worker. I'm at Walmart, you know, and I just watched some crazy meth head, you know, running naked through the store with a knife and those sort of things. And they're like, you know, can we, like, get a little bit of help here? And those same NDP and those same people are just like, oh, you know, you just need to be kind. Can you just be compassionate? That guy's going through a lot right now. But the thing is, at the end of the day, these people, they can't flee. It's not like the middle and upper class. They can't flee to private green spaces. They can't flee to, you know, to anywhere, you know, more rural. To get away from it all, they have to go with the parks where the tent city is. They have to go the parks where the needles are all over the ground and they're being told, well, you know, just be glad what you have. You could be in their spot. Like this weaponized empathy threat.

[44:21] Jack: Yeah, isn't it disgusting? It's disgusting. It's just weaponized. Everything's become weaponized, you know, and it's just gross. I. Yeah, I can't even. I don't know, I can't even. That whole subject of drug addicts and all is very. Having dealt with that situation, like, not myself, of course. It's. It's. It's. That's a whole other show. That's a whole other show.

[44:51] Russell: Well, well, it is, but. But I was in Calgary last year and I literally watched someone take a shit in the middle of the street. Just pull down his pants.

[45:00] Jack: Yeah.

[45:01] Russell: Took his shit in the middle of the street. Now listen, I don't live in a big city. Okay? Like, I'm in Saskatchewan. Um, I live in a pretty small town. I lived in an even smaller town just a little while ago of like, 500 people. So I know I'm not used to the big city and. And the modern city scape, but I haven't lived in a big city in a long time. But I kind of thought shitting on the sidewalk, that was like a California.

[45:27] Jack: Thing, I thought, yeah, yeah, there's an overpass near my house here. And in the middle of the overpass, it's a pedestrian overpass. In the middle of it, high above the traffic, is a homeless camp where people shoot up and all sort of things. So, you know, during the summertimes when I would walk and take the overpass, because, of course, I live near a pretty busy road, you'd have to walk through it, you know? And I can understand how. How, you know, some. You know, anyone would feel intimidated walking through that, you know, seeing people shoot up, free basing, you know, asking you for money, that sort of thing. Yeah, it's. It's. It's. It's pretty insane. It really is. Yeah, totally rich. I see what you say.

[46:10] Russell: Yeah. Like, I was actually thinking at one point, well, actually, I got to come down and meet you and a couple of other people in that, in Calgary. And I was thinking about moving there at one point, but it was just like, just downtown, and it's just like, every street corner, like every nook and cranny smell like piss. There was the. Just the wafting smell of pot everywhere, people taking dumps in the middle of the street, the homeless people lining up everywhere. And then to top it all off, the day that I was there, there was like, a gang war. There was like a.

[46:42] Jack: Like a.

[46:43] Russell: They had like, a bunch of refugees. They had like a gang war in a parking lot.

[46:48] Jack: That was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[46:50] Russell: And then the. Then the police came and they were, like, fighting with the cops. And I'm like, okay, I'm going back to my small town here.

[46:56] Jack: I'm gonna believe me. I'm. I. As much as I do love, uh, Calgary, I really do. I love being this close to the mountains and all that. I am moving much closer to the mountains. So that's. That's my plan. So it's. It's. Yeah, it's getting to be quite a bit too much. And everybody forgets how to drive in the winter. I don't know what's going on here, but.

[47:19] Russell: Well, I think that's just part of the course. Everywhere?

[47:22] Jack: Yeah, I guess, but, yeah.

[47:24] Russell: Is it just the close. Everyone living so close together and. And that just seems to drive people crazy.

[47:30] Jack: I don't know. I really don't. I think a lot of stuff has just driven everybody crazy over the past few years. I know that the best thing you can do to keep yourself from. Is everyone sharing the WPAth files everywhere possible. Yes. Don't forget to look at the WPATH files, and if there's any reporters watching, please read the WPATH files. That'd be great. The city, I mean, a lot of people are escaping. My big escape is to go off to the mountains. You know, like, if I go to Kananaskis or if I head over to, you know, Lake Louise or something like that. That's good. It's very good for your mental health to get away.

[48:03] Russell: So just get weird, grow beard, disappear.

[48:07] Jack: Yeah. Hey, no. One of the things that I want people to do that I would encourage people to do is actually, you know, asides from sharing the WPath files and all, and from sharing everything else, I want people to actually write words. Write to the premier office and give words of encouragement and words of support, you know, and let them know that you support what's been put forward so far and what's. You know, I really think that the hate has been taken over so much, and, you know, it's really quite disgusting. So I think it's time that we all be a light and actually show some support and show some love and show some encouragement to those people that are actually trying to make a difference. So. And, you know, and putting their heads out there. So I really think that that was something that we could probably all do well.

[49:01] Russell: I agree, and I think that it's very important that we are ensuring that we are supporting people that are putting it out on the line. The most recent example, Amy ham, April Hutchinson, she's.

[49:18] Jack: They're both. They're amazing. They're like, wow. Yep.

[49:21] Russell: You know, other. Other people. Like, I'll shout out a few other people, like Stuart Parker, for example. You know, Megan Murphy. Like, just people that are really. They're putting it out on the line. They've faced all sorts of crazy stuff for it. But a cancellation, a struggle session, only works if you feel isolated.

[49:42] Jack: Yeah, they can't. What was it said? Um, it's interesting. I'll quote something from JK Rawlings. Harry Potter. You're not as much of a threat if you're alone. You know, when Luna said that to Harry, and it's kind of true, you know, like if, if, you know, if it's all of us together, I mean, hey, you know, we're all very strong, so I think that's important.

[50:05] Russell: Well, and I agree. And I think that the, the more that we support those people, not everyone is going to be able to put it out on the line. It's true. And, and while I used to be, I think, more highly critical of people that just, you know, self censored in that I just, I'm not so much anymore because I think people, people are, people are suffering, people are desperate. People just want to be left alone. It's not going to be that way much longer. I don't think, I don't think people are, they're just going to let you be alone much longer.

[50:41] Jack: No. And everybody, everybody's really, really coming together now. Everybody's really, really standing up together. So I just got to give a shout out. Our duty says that they've written an open letter urging institutions to disengage from Wpath. They're gathering signatures now. So anybody that's watching or listening, just look up that on our duty, Canada. And they will have that there for you to sign. That's also using your voice, you know, and a lot of people are like, well, what can I do? How can I help? Write a name, write an email, send a letter. You know, that that's the easiest thing you can do. You know, show your support that way. It's pretty easy that way. And if you see, if you see somebody drag an old Jack through the mud, I swear to God. Oh, I love it when I get dragged through the mud.

[51:28] Russell: Well, there's definitely a group of people that have the temperament for that. I think you have to have a certain temperament to be able to handle that for lots of people, you know, that the mob comes for them and, and they just, and they curl up and they're like, okay, I, you know, I'm just going to stay quiet and this will all go away. And people forget about it. They delete all the socials and then they're, they just think, okay, I'm going to be left alone now. And then, you know, the, they got the SWAT team kicking in their door because they're getting swatted. Well, you know, they got, people find out they have kids, so then they make up b's things so that they got child services doing welfare checks. Like I said, it's all part of rules for radicals.

[52:09] Jack: Radicals.

[52:10] Russell: They use the state's resources against people hundred percent.

[52:14] Jack: They really do. When I was being dragged through the mud. Uh, I got it really, really bad, um, for even just putting my name out there from the community that I had come from. It really shocked me because a lot of those people I hadn't spoken to for ten years or more, um, so just the fact that they thought that I was the same person that I was back then. Back then, I never really had an opinion. I really did kind of keep it to myself, like, how I felt, because I wanted to fit in. I wanted my friends to like me. It turns out that nobody actually liked me at all, which is kind of hard to deal with, but, you know, you deal with it and you move on. But seeing the things that they had said, it was really. It was. I was just. I was. Wow. None of you actually ever liked me, and none of you ever reached out to me over the years. Sorry, correction. Two people did. But as soon as they found out I was unvaccinated, boom, I was no longer alive in their lives.

[53:05] Russell: Well, that's, that's another topic. But we are at the hour mark, and then we did say we would go for an hour today, and I want to be respectful of your time. So I do want to say thank you so much for Jack, for coming back onto the show again. You were a guest previously and agreeing to be the guinea pig for the new setup and, and that, it's not done yet, but I'm working through it and I wanted to get started and just let people know I got more guests lined up, just making some arrangements, making things happen, and we'll have more guests, more interesting people here to talk about what's going on in their lives in Canada. Just before we head out, I'll give you the last word of advice and any socials, and then we'll end it.

[53:49] Jack: My last word of advice to people watching and listening, don't be afraid. That's, that's. They want you to be afraid. Don't be afraid. That's, that's it. You know, we've got each other, and that's what's driving them crazy. So I love you guys.

[54:06] Russell: Hey, everyone. I really appreciate that you've listened this far. It's a great conversation I had with Jack. And just letting everyone know that I do have a sub stack as well that you can go to. It's the canadianconservative.com. I write articles on about a monthly basis on different topics of interest. And if you're interested in supporting the show monetarily, I really appreciate it. Helps pay the bills when it comes to hosting. Helps pay the bills for kind of keeping things going here. And you can do so on substack, and you can do a monthly plan. You can do a yearly plan. I only charge like $3 a month. It's not very much. I try to provide value for dollar whenever possible. So if you do feel like supporting me, like I said, really appreciate it, you can do so at my substack, the canadianconservative.com, and as well as supporting my show, you'll also unlock a few articles I have that are for subscribers only. Just wanted to say thanks again and we'll see you next episode.