I interview Marc Emery one of the pioneers of Marijuana legalization who went to jail for his convictions and beliefs. We talk about the effects of marijuana legalization in Canada. We talk politics, specifically around the pandemic and what the Government should have been doing. We end the interview talking about his candidacy with the Peoples Party of Canada and some of his stances on various issues.
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I interview Marc Emery one of the pioneers of Marijuana legalization who went to jail for his convictions and beliefs. We talk about the effects of marijuana legalization in Canada. We talk politics, specifically around the pandemic and what the Government should have been doing. We end the interview talking about his candidacy with the Peoples Party of Canada and some of his stances on various issues.
This Episode contains explicit language.
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Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Coffee Breath Conversations podcast. I'm your host. In this week, I sat down with Canadian marijuana legend Mark Emery to talk all things pot politics, and marks run for the People's Party of Canada. This podcast is 100% self funded. If you enjoy the content, the best way to support is to leave a review on Apple or pod chaser. Go to Coffee Breath conversations.com for more content, and press review show to leave a review. With that. Let's get started. Alright everyone, welcome back to Coffee Breath Conversations. I'm your host Russell and today I'm with Mark Emery. Mark Emery is a lifelong cannabis activist, and entrepreneur, politician often referred to as the prince of pot. He's been involved in federal and provincial politics, and is actually served time for his cannabis activism. Welcome to the podcast and welcome live stream mark. Hey, good to be on board. And before we kind of get started here, I know who you are. And probably a lot of people from Southwest Ontario probably know who you are, and BC but the younger generation may not necessarily know you as much, especially since marijuana was legalized, if you want to give just a brief background on yourself. So everyone kind of has a baseline knowledge.
Marc Emery:Well, because I grew up without any money. with wonderful mother and father. I certainly had the nicest childhood, but there was no money. And when I'm five years old, my dad gives me five cents a day. And when I'm six, I get six cents today. And by the time I'm seven, I asked him, Well, how do I get more money? And he says, Well, you have to go get a job like me. He was actually joking. But by the end of the day, I'd gone to all the neighbors and ask them for jobs, which in 1965 was about $1 for doing the lawn and $1 shoe for shoveling snow. And I became very good with money at a very young age. I had my first business when I was nine. And my first successful business Mark's comic room selling old vintage comic books when I was 12. And I sold that when I was 16 and 1975 for $10,000. And I use that$10,000 to open a bookshop in London, Ontario called city lights bookshop. I was very adapted business I was really good at it just a nobody in our family is business or my father was a tradesman all his life a machinist. And there is no business kind of DNA in our family but I was really good at it and excel net in 1979 October, I'd read iron Rand, and I read everything he wrote, and then it all fit together. So since that time in October 1979 was at 42 years ago, I've been hell bent to smash the state. Now the state's gotten pretty big and a lot bigger than it was in 1980. So whether I'm successful does some degree you know debatable that ein Rand set me on a path to all sorts of wonderful writers. Frederick Basquiat Lysander Spooner, Murray rothbard, all the greats of libertarian and freedom thought, and I've been a busy busy activist ever since 1980. I've been in 40 prisons in jail largely for marijuana, but I wasn't one for Sunday shopping. I've gone to court many times for a variety issues, including obscenity trying to legalize rap records in the 1990 when the Ontario Provincial Police had banned the two Live Crew. Basically, I started a kind of a long term strategy in 1991. to legalize cannabis that finally came to fruition about 30 years later, one of the things I did was I plotted what it takes to foment a successful revolution. And we needed money. I had to teach all the cannabis people to become capitalists because in capitalism, we raise money and we raise ourselves up. We aren't beggars anymore. In the old days, they all the cannabis activists were socialists and they didn't like money, and they're anti capitalist. And the movement was doomed to failure. So I had to teach everybody how to make money, how to use that money constructively to advance a revolution. And eventually I formed a political party, the BC marijuana party, the Canadian marijuana party, we founded media, I did my magazine cannabis culture, which was illegal originally. And I was the first court victory I had in 1994, overturning the ban on marijuana books and literature. And then we I started earning a lot of money, selling seeds to Americans, which later causes a consequence. But I started doing about a million or $2 a year in sales, and I was using that money about half a million a year over 10 years to foment all sorts of wonderful subversions of the democratic system. For example, people would send me money for these cannabis seeds and I'd send them out and eventually you know, I'm sending 3 million seeds out over 10 years produces a staggering amount of marijuana throughout the world. Especially California in the West Coast of the United States and much of the United States. And then I would use that money to pay for ballot initiatives. I legalized cannabis medically in Colorado in 2000, contributing$45,000 to get all the signatures raised to put a legalization initiative on the ballot, I did the same thing in Arizona, Washington, DC. And I attempted to do the same in Alaska and other states to using all the money I was earning, I'd send it back to the US and use it to finance ballot initiatives, rallies, conventions, global marches, it was a staggering amount of things that money was paying for including any ballot initiative I could get in any of the United States permit validations. And over the years, we legalized medical marijuana through the courts, we started to legalize throughout the United States at the state level and ballot initiatives. But sooner or later, the US figured out what I was doing. And the Justice Department in 2002 started a campaign of collecting information against me. And by 2005, they were trying to extradite me to the United States, where I eventually do in 2005 years imprisonment for those 3 million seats and my generally sticking my nose out of the American government in the Justice Department and their whole prohibition regime. So that is my great achievement is that we made cannabis legal in US states, I made it legal to large degree in Canada. But you know what I learned when you get when you ask them to legalize something, you're also asking them to regulate it, you don't mean to ask them to regulate it, I thought we would have a total free market in cannabis and that everybody who was once illegal would simply be declared illegal and made to pay taxes. But what they did is they took the entire market away from all the people who are growing the pot who went to jail and were pioneers like myself, and then handed over to a bunch of crooked largely in liberal influence. crony capitalist corporations, and they now dominate the market badly. It's got like 200 pages of regulations, there's now 45 criminal offenses instead of eight. And they basically handed sort of a certain kind of quasi monopoly to a lot of corporations, they hired 1000s of bureaucrats to make it incredibly bureaucratic. They added for taxes, which priced it out of the range of most people, and including the illegal unregulated market, which remains much, much cheaper today in Canada, that backfired on me in a way because I didn't get the legalization I want. But then with the government, you really do get what you want. I learned through the cannabis process how cynically the government's legalize or pass any legislation, they make it to it favors friends, they make it so it favors the bureaucracy. And in fact, they're taking suggestions from the bureaucrats from the police from the established order. And I noticed that every time I've ever gone to Parliament or the brinjal legislature and been invited to City Hall in Toronto, they are obligated by law to have hearings listening to the public input, but they're under no obligation to take any of your advice. And after weeks and weeks of testimony. They didn't take a single person's advice that was a stakeholder. They just listened to cops, the politicians and the bureaucrats and came up with a horrible system. Under the cannabis act we have de there is one saving grace though. And it's the most important thing in a way. In 2010, we had 80,500 criminal charges for possessing, selling growing and distributing marijuana. Last year we had 1650 charges. So it's dropped by about 42 times 42 fold reduction in criminalizing cannabis and that's a magnificent achievement, which I will take some credit for. Because I always have to take credit for some of the lousy stuff, the bureaucracy, the taxes, the expense, the and for that matter. I cannot own a legal cannabis store because of my criminal record for cannabis. I can't even manage cannabis, so they won't even give me a manager's laser. It's all that you have to be licensed to manage a private enterprise. But that's what they do. And the eight you know, the idea is keep out the criminal element of which I'm still considered one. My brother is opening a cannabis shop in September, October and I hope to be working there as a retail sales clerk, but at least it's working for my brother. And that should be a lot of fun. With the liberals sort of spearheading the legalization of marijuana. When you think of someone that sells marijuana or someone that's involved in marijuana culture, generally you think liberal, you think almost like a sort of hippie that's the stereotype. 80% of them are communist Marxist left wing. Yeah, that's true. That's why I was always a thorn in the side of most of them. First of all, I brashley suggested early in the 1990s that they were doing it all wrong. And of course, they were all kind of left wingers and progressives and hippies and there's some charm to that. But it's completely like ridiculous when it comes to competing in the economic world we live in the political world we live in, so I tried to toughen them up. But once my libertarian leanings begin came very obvious outside of issues like cannabis like I'm against gender ideology, critical race theory, every woke trope that's out there. I'm totally opposed to when these green advocates wrote me during the election here and asked me what I would do to for climate change, I said, I won't do anything you want. I want nuclear power, more gas, more pipelines, more jobs, more mining, more regulations diminished, I want, I want an even playing field. So we're all competing on the same level. I want to take away all corporate welfare, but I'm not going to give you any of your ridiculous green hysterics, any validation, I think we can adapt to whatever climate change comes. And that's what we're gonna do. We're not going to become some proto Marxist, anti West, anti industrial kind of utopia, where we learn wind power to heat a country like Canada, the fourth largest mass in the world, where we have the most vicious winters and the most wickedly humid summers requiring a lot of energy, none of which is going to come from windmills, and turbines and solar power. It's going to come from good old tried and true dirty, filthy oil gas, and the very clean nuclear energy, which we should have long ago, invested heavily in I would say private facilities, certainly. And so you know, I've had to you know, people see me I setting with in capitalism, we can save the world, right? Well, this goes against everything you hear from the conservatives, liberals, NDP greens, where everything has to be so woke and progressive and regulated, and basically ruining the country, because Canada is never going to produce anything out of except minerals, and things we get out of the ground, lumber, mining, you know, crops, agriculture, food, we have a huge country, it's got a lot of things in it. And that's how we make our money. And so we've always made our money. 150 years of Canadian history isn't gonna change, because some wishful thinking there thinks we're gonna have a lot of green jobs, you're not gonna have any of those fucking green jobs, right, we're gonna have the same old jobs we've always had getting minerals, getting oil, getting gas, getting lumber, getting crops, getting food, getting things out of the ground, heavy metals, diamonds, gold, you name it, that's what we do. And if Canadians don't accept that they are in for a rude awakening, because we don't have other options. We're never going to be an industrial power. We're never going to be a dominant male order power. We can't beat the Chinese and a lot of things. We can't beat other countries. But we have unique assets that we can sell to the world for hundreds of years to come. And that's the way it is. And so I had to tell these, you know, greenies. Like you're living in some dystopia, it's not even a utopia. It's a dystopian, your wishful thinking will ruin the lives of all Canadians, and they won't let that happen. So you know, needless to say, I've offended everybody that used to kind of support me, but then that's good, too. Because I often tell people, I don't really care about appealing to people who already agree with me. It's nice when you do a tweet and 500 people retweeted or liked it. But that's not really convincing anybody, I'd rather get the haters and people who say vile things, because what happens is they're having an internal contradiction. The reason they're mad at me, the reason they're angry, after all, I'm just one guy with an opinion, why would you get upset, it's because in their in their brain inside them, they're hearing something that makes sense, and it bothers them, because what is rational to me, and then starting to penetrate their brain goes against all the dogma, the left wing dogma they've been told and learned, and, and basically repeated ad nauseum without really thinking too much about it. I'm having lots of fun, I got a whole bunch of emails from people want more money for CBC. And I immediately said, I would defund the CBC right away, I would turn them into a private corporation not dependent on any government money, and I would wish them well, I hate the CBC. It's a total propaganda arm of the government. It's betrayed the interests of many Canadians, and spends our money absurdly and ridiculously and has such a woke agenda. It's kind of absurd media Corporation. I laugh at it, if I'm not sickened by it. So you know, I'm getting all these groups sending me their wish list. But within the course I give them the exact opposite. You're not going to get any of that from me. I'm going to give you something capitalism pure, you know, straightforward, unadulterated, unregulated, we're going to get millions of people back to work, and we're going to do it fast. But I grew up pretty left leaning and then I was introduced more libertarian thinkers and, and I kind of realize that the free market really is saved us overall. Everything else is just wishful thinking and theories and sort of, I like to say pipe dreams of people generally, that are middle class that think that communism is gonna save the planet. When it's done more damage probably than any other ideology. socialism relies on the idea that we're going to get something back more than we put in that somehow somebody the rich or whoever are going to pay for the things I want that I don't have to pay for, but that's a fool's errand. First of all, people always say taxes. Rich, the rich can go to another country or tax to corporations, corporations don't pay taxes, any tax they get they pass on to the consumer. So we pay every corporate tax, any tax that's applied to business is passed on to the consumer, any kind of regulation that goes to regulate business, the cost of that is passed on to the consumer. There is no other taxpayer other than the citizen consumers. Corporations may temporarily give money to government, but they're going to get that money back from the consumer, they have no other option, otherwise, we won't have investment in this country. And we will have a very stagnant economy, although it's largely been ruined to some degree by the government as it is the last 18 months, the dictatorship that we've had in this country has devastated and ruined our Charter of Rights, our economic viability, our ability to provide jobs, our ability to keep our currency stable, it's going to be inflated like crazy. All this free money going out to people. Every business in Canada has been heavily subsidized by by grants and loans and every kind of freebie to allow them to release barely survive this scam demick that we've got this false crisis that government is exploited, and taken advantage of that is completely and utterly unnecessary. For example, how many people died of COVID in a nation of 37 million yesterday? One? How many died the day before in a nation of 37,000,001? How many died the day before that, too, right? And so but we've got a dictatorship, killing millions of people to where mass millions of stores act like this stop, oh, we've got British Columbia saying you can't even enter the province unless you're double bakst you can't get on an aeroplane. According to the federal government. What's your double bang, we've got the biggest usurpation of our Democratic Charter rights and a free society in the last 18 months than anything I've ever imagined happening anywhere in the world. I've never seen any country change so rapidly. And so undesirably thing Canada has changed in the last 18 months. It's appalling and it's dangerous. Well, the
Coffee Breath Conversations:change has only been for us though, I mean, throughout the entire pandemic, the politicians, they've all gone on their hot vacations they've all amassed with their families and their friends and restaurants when everyone else was told to stay home and save lives and, and
Marc Emery:everyone's a hypocrite. So don't be surprised. I mean, not just politicians, the smug Glee in the words and anger of the people who are vaccinated who are angry at the unvaccinated, and of course, you go to them you ask, the more you're vaccinated, why do you care? And none of them have a good answer. I have never heard a good answer. Because when I got vaccinated for yellow fever, or polio, or the dozens of vaccinations I've had in my life, I never got yellow fever. I never spread yellow fever. I never had yellow fever. I never got sick from ever died from it. Unlike these stupid vaccines is bullshit vaccine for Coronavirus, where you get 1234 or five ad infinitum doses and you can still get it, you can still spread it, you can still get sick and you can still die. So they'll all it really does is ameliorate the illness and a few people might have gotten I'm in no danger of dying anyway, I don't have dementia. I don't have diabetes. I'm not obese. I'm a thin person. So a 63 year old like me has like 99 999 out of 1000 chance of coming out fine. Right? I'd take worse odds than that. But that's the way it is. We're not going to die if you're healthy. And if you're corpulent, and obese, it's time to slim the fuck down. I can't believe how many fat people I still see out here after 18 months of a pandemic that kills fat people like what is going on in their head. They didn't. They put on weight because the government didn't do the right thing. They should have said everybody outside, get lots of sun get vitamin D Have a nice time slim down stop eating the process crap food that I know you're eating now that you're trapped inside because we told you that so people were eating crap food most a lot more people would become alcoholic in the last year now. Many people have put on 10 to 15 pounds, which is dangerous, because that's what COVID exploits, you know, people with weight problems, people with pre diabetes and diet, you know, as well as Alzheimers and dementia. So yes, we should protect the vulnerable but we didn't the government let those people die. It's like those health workers were going around like the Grim Reaper from long term care to long term care infecting people, right? It was this couldn't believe what was going on. And yet we get blamed for the citizens get blamed for the government's malfeasance and mismanagement. They've changed their story so many times on mass on vaccines are social distancing. And the whole thing is a fraud. Like we don't have a crisis, people aren't done, you know, 805 Canadians die every day. So when one person dies yesterday of COVID and the day before one of the day for two, it's nothing. 280 people die every day of cancer in Canada do it in 22 die of heart disease, that that concerns me much more because the same crap that's making us obese is the same thing that gives us heart disease to a large degree and people Bad habits are giving them cancer. So the government instead of addressing people, this is the time to be healthy. This is a time to take care of your immune system. This is a time to avoid crap. Don't drink alcohol, it's going to make your life worse, don't put on weight, get outside exercise. And we should never shut down businesses, we should never give away all this free money. It's just a disaster. And of course, if I were in government, what I would have told people is listen, we're going to get through this, we're going to social distance and protect each other where we can but I'm not locking down any businesses. I'm not passing any new laws. And if you think you're vulnerable, that it's up to you personal responsibility to look after yourself and protect yourself. It's not anybody else's job. It's only our job to look after our health. And of course, I get a guilt trip all the time. Don't you think? We have a civic duty? No, I don't think we have a civic duty to look after the health of everyone else. We have a civic duty to look after our own health, which is what people are not doing. They didn't swim down. They didn't stop drinking. They didn't stop smoking. They didn't stop eating crap they've more crap they didn't go outside because they were scared then premier Prime Minister of New Zealand said don't talk to your neighbor when you go outside that's fucking crazy fear paranoia that's nutty because New Zealand had one instance when death when COVID case and next thing you know they've got a police state and Australia's even where Australia is
Coffee Breath Conversations:the worst right now. Like it's incredible. They're building internment camps now.
Marc Emery:Well, it'll get this bad in British Columbia and Canada, Quebec and British Columbia, terrible, Ontario will probably go that way. And we're all going to be living in a horrid dystopia. based on nothing, there's no reason for any of this, we are not at risk, right. And if somebody at 590 days, I don't give a fuck, they were gonna die anyway, if I die now, tomorrow, I don't blame anybody. I'm grateful to have lived as long as I have in a period of freedom, economic expansion, that was unprecedented. We've had unprecedented prosperity since World War Two, and we just kept living better and better. With all the wonderful technology and health and everything we could do to make life wonderful. I have done. So at 63 I'm ready to die if I have to. It's not a problem. But everybody else is such a greedy pig, that they rather enslave everybody else. So they can get some slight advantage in survival. It's disgusting. And I'm embarrassed to be with Canadians really. But you know, I always have been, I've left in a proud I left Canada about every 10 years for the last 40 years, because I can't handle what a bunch of footsies this nation always has been really now they're completely ready to be absorbed into the dictatorship. Everyone goes on about
Coffee Breath Conversations:their rights. But all rights come with come with responsibilities to
Marc Emery:not true that's not true. No, no. And that right is absolutely doesn't come with any responsibilities. But if you want to civil society, we have to respect the rights of ourselves and others and not let them get compromised. So the responsibility I would say we do have is to make sure we don't lose our rights. And that's the responsibility to everyone has given up on they don't give a fuck about the rights of the Canadians that I've met so many people smugly happy that we have a dictatorship now. Because COVID requires a dictatorship or otherwise people wouldn't do the right thing. And I've heard that all my life when people won't do the right thing unless we forced them. Right. But more Canadians than ever believe in this kind of top down totalitarianism, and are quite willing to see their fellow Canadians suffer and humiliated and and have their rights taken and they're gleeful about their nasty if you've seen all the hundreds and hundreds of comments everywhere by and by the pro Vax people when it comes to the unvaccinated, they're gleeful. They want you dead, they want you to die. They hope you suffer. They think you're an idiot a moron all these things. Now, the anti Vax people are mostly fact base. They look for information they're not blaming. We don't blame the vaccine. We all go listen, if you want to get vaccinated, that's cool. You
Unknown:go do that.
Marc Emery:But say the fuck away from me. Right? Don't get in my face about your goddamn requirements for vaccination. Because if you've gotten the vaccine, aren't you okay? And if you're wrong with your goddamn vaccine that you're so proud of. And the real fear is they don't trust their vaccine. They know what's called a budget. Every single person's had a negative reaction, whether for days or weeks and sometimes fatal and sometimes life threatening. My lawyer had an allergic reaction that's that affected his lungs for five days. My friend Aaron had pain in her left side for seven days. I know so many people, my neighbor upstairs still has muscle pain A month later from where the injection when she every time she lifts her arm up, it hurts, right? And there's 1000s if not hundreds of 1000s of people that you're going to run into if you ask them about what happened. We got wrecked in any reaction. Yeah, there was right now here's the thing. Almost everybody under 60 doesn't need that vaccine. They're not going to die. You can get COVID and you'll survive. That's just the way life is you shouldn't be fearful about some virus viruses are everywhere and they're gonna come back year after year. So if you think you need to an inoculation for every virus that comes into society, you're going to live with it. Terrible life of fear, you're not going to enjoy life, you're going to fear death, and fail to enjoy life. And that's what I've done. I've enjoyed my life. I've enjoyed traveling, I've enjoyed the people I've known the places I've been doing. If I had to die tomorrow, I'm quite happy. If I got COVID and died, I wouldn't blame anyone else I'd be happy to go. Because I've had a great life. And so most Canadians and they're greedy, and they're selfish. And they're, they're willing to throw their other fellow Canadians under the bus for a little bit of convenience, a little bit of fear, a little bit of so called security that they don't have. And the fact that people think the government actually cares for them blows my mind. The government, like cannabis told me the government will lie about everything for generations, for political purposes. They never told the truth about cannabis. They put people they charge like 70 80,000 people a year for decades, over 2 million Canadians got arrested for cannabis and there was never any good reason for it. And yet, you know, a lot of people were under the reason that there must be some legitimacy to rounding up 2 million Canadians for a personal lifestyle consumption choice. Right? So you know, I've seen Canadians rationalize every kind of barbarism. It's a tough go be in my People's Party candidate.
Coffee Breath Conversations:What do you think causes people to be in Canada, Canadians to be so callous about other people's, their their plights? And that you know, someone going to prison for a plant? Someone not getting a vaccine? Where do you think that comes from?
Marc Emery:But people are just no damn good. They're cowards, they're weak. They'll make excuses. They'll blame others. I mean, we see this now more than ever victim mentality. We don't even the Olympics has gotten to be the celebration of failure. We celebrate failure in so many areas of our society, that when failure happens in government or bureaucracy, or we regard it as normal, that's Oh, yeah, well, of course, the system's out to get you, right. I mean, it's your you've got enemies everywhere. So you know, we see everybody having this call to victimization, instead of taking responsibility for everything that happens, you just wear it, no matter what happens to me, I blame myself, politically, the government is responsible for a lot of terrible things. But me personally, if something happens to me, that's my fault. And it doesn't even matter if someone did dirt to me, I chose to be that person, I chose to meet them or employ them higher than whatever. It's up to me. People don't hold themselves responsible for their own behavior and their own decisions anymore. They're looking for scapegoats. So when they look for scapegoats in their personal life with everything, when it comes to something like this, so called pandemic virus, then the scapegoats get to be bigger. The whole country is a potential scapegoat. So everybody who doesn't toe the line on this vaccine is being scapegoated. We're vermin. We're spreaders, people wishes dead, you can find 1000s of nasty comments every day about us, even though all we're doing is Yeah. And people say, Well, were you are going to spread it. I said, Well, I'd have been sick to spread it. They already had COVID. So I'm already immune, I'm not going to be spreading it, not like you vaccinated people who are spreading it, and probably unaware, you're spreading it because you're not that sick, right? You didn't, you're not gonna die probably on that vaccine, but you're still getting sick, you're still spreading it, you're still getting it. Whereas I have actual real immunity from having already had it, that I'm not at risk of giving it to anybody. And I'm healthy and contented. My choice. And I'm not allowed to be people vilify him and say horrible things to me every day on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram, right? Oh, you're like wearing the mask? goddamnit You stupid fool, you asshole. Oh, geez, I get it every day, every probably half hour. Somebody says something horrible about my own personal life child style choice that doesn't affect them. If they've had the vaccine, why the fuck do they care? And why are they angry at us? Because we won't go along with their fear.
Coffee Breath Conversations:They know compliance,
Marc Emery:right? If they think if everybody's scared, then we're we are all in this together. But if a good 30% of the population is not particularly scared, in fact, that people were scared of our fellow Canadians who want to bring in a dictatorship, a health dictatorship, all kinds of, then you know, that's what we fear. We fear our fellow Canadians. They fear us because we're not getting vaccinated. And so they fear us, they fear us for our freedom. And we fear them for their totalitarian tendencies.
Coffee Breath Conversations:At the beginning of the pandemic, one of the big things that we constantly heard was hospitals are going to be overrun, they're they're overrun, they're over capacity. But who cares what
Marc Emery:capacity resources are finite, whenever you're over capacity, you triage you treat the people most able to help and then other people will die. Like it's like, it's not like we've got an endless gravy train of cash in hospitals where we could accommodate every single circumstance under every possible upper you know, thing in the future, we might have some really serious pandemics in the future. And there's just no way we're gonna be able to treat everybody I you know, and also I see us are always in capacity because that's how they work most efficiently. If they're under capacity, they have to let people go home. People are standing around doing nothing. All hospitals operate at optimum capacity, which is about 92 95% right so this business that Icos are for, I don't give a fuck, fix who you can and anybody else while they die. And I might be me one day, that's the way it goes. Now, having said that, I have never been admitted to a hospital in my entire adult life. So I've been paying 45 years of income taxes and sales taxes to make sure that hospitals actually available when I need it. So when people say, Well, if you get COVID, because you're a denier, you shouldn't be denied hospital Can I go fuck you, I paid 45 years of taxes. It doesn't matter whether I smoke 12 packs a day and get lung cancer and go to that day, they owe me cuz that's the commitment they make when they collect my taxes. So Screw you. And so people are getting all vindictive and bent out of shape over nothing, but their hurt feelings because they gave into pressure because they gave it to me, and no children should ever be vaccine. Nobody, like one person under 20 died of COVID in the last year and a half, right between 20 and 40 is like 25 people in the last year now and yet we've had a totalitarian state to deal with these non existent crises amongst people under 60.
Coffee Breath Conversations:Is toto is totalitarian for us. For the CEOs for the for big government for all those people they've been making cash hand over fist it's been great for them.
Marc Emery:Well follow the money right quite Bono. Who benefits by all this stuff? Well, we know benefits. Big tech benefited a great deal. Netflix, Disney all the channels were people sitting at home gaining weight eating crap food, drinking alcohol and Coca Cola, right? They making their health worse, while we watch and absorb all that big tech and all that big media and all that. Watching the government news all day, which is COVID 24 hours a day. COVID for 18 months, even though none of the Mac you ever make a point of telling people Oh, by the way, COVID death Oh, one is one people died, so we're terrorizing you over one person died today. One person died today for four. Right? People died of cancer yesterday, but nobody gives a fuck?
Coffee Breath Conversations:Well, no, it's all COVID 24 seven, the media that was slumped or, you know, after Donald Trump was gone, the media, what did they have, they didn't have a Boogeyman anymore. And then with COVID, it's been their way to try to keep themselves relevant, you know, keep people locked onto the TV, keep them afraid, keep them coming back. For more. Now. They're talking about variants and all sorts of other stuff and
Marc Emery:think of vaccine every six months. Because the second dose is the Israeli found only last two or three months. Right? And then it starts to diminish rapidly. So then you need a third one. And you'll need a fourth one and whatever new variant so you know, we we've committed to the world has made it $147 billion in spending on vaccines between 2020 and 2024. So that's just like so far. It's a lot like when they tell you that the lockdown will end in two weeks. So we're going to flatten the curve. Nothing is believable by government. They don't give a fuck about RL. Look at Mr. Trudeau, I mean the way he lectures, piece of shit that guy turned out to be and to think I smoked pot with him in 2004. Now I'd like to punch him in the face, right, but I smoked pot with him. And he was of no substance back in those days. He's a very good looking young man. He was kind of fun for a drama teacher, you know, he's likes to dress up. I think he's dressed in 25 different cultural costumes to defend the Prime Minister. That's the most funny seems that when he gets to dress up as an Indian or Pakistani or a Moroccan or you know, basil, bub or blackface or whatever he's doing. He's He's enjoying the theater of it all. And now he's become a mean spirited, bitter, little dictator, where he's threatened to leave, you may think you're free. But if you want to be free, you can't travel in an airplane, you can't go in a rail road, you can't do things, you're not going to go anywhere, because that's the price of your decision. No, I'm living in the fucking dictatorship, and you're taking away all my civic and social, you know, prerogatives. I can't go on a jury now in Ontario, you know, I can't go in a building, you know, without being double backs. I can't get a job in many places. And so no, that's not a choice I'm making. It's a choice the government is making, but they try and shift the burden on us, which is what the Nazis did with Jews. It's the Jews that are causing this problem. They're the filthy Bourbons spreading their ideas. They've infiltrated our universities. They've infiltrated our conscious thought, our culture, they're the dirty filthy ones. They need to be eliminated so we can be pure right? sounds just like the vaccinated people. The way they taught you filthy vermin are making it difficult. We're protected they go, we're protected but you can't be near us because you are unworthy because you are filthy and dirty.
Coffee Breath Conversations:You're running for the People's Party of Canada. The media has said that there are some far right political party, some offshoot of conservatism but the everyone that I talked to about it, including my own research I've done seems to be very libertarian very much focused on freedom and purpose. One responsibility. Why do you think the media and society in general seems to be so fearful that personal responsibility? And why did they want to?
Marc Emery:It's funny that Liberty becomes a far right thing, right or freedom or choices, right? Like my body, my choice used to be like the simple way of describing a universal human rights, my body my choice. So I choose what vaccine to take, I choose whether I get an abortion, I choose what the, it's also my responsibility with my choice. So if I get fat, it's no one else in from if I develop lung cancer from smoking, it's not other people's problem. Now, we do have universal socialized medicine. And so the system is obligated to treat us no matter how willfully negligent we are with their own body. But that having been said, they've swept aside the whole idea of my body, my choice in this vaccine. So on one hand, liberals use it to defend their abortion position. But the same principle has no application to the rest of us when it comes to vaccinations, or for that matter, travel my body budget, I should be able to go anywhere the Charter of Rights guarantees me mobility to both enter and leave Canada and across Kenyan boundaries to see my family that's been totally abrogated. Right, and they can take away our rights it would seem with nary a peep from and the media is so involved, but they're getting 600 million over five years in subsidies, kickbacks, bribes. So of course, the media by and large isn't a handmaiden to the Liberal government. Right? They just go on, they just love to do especially sci fi, which I delight in telling people I would defund immediately stop them and get their vile propaganda, let them pay for itself. They think their propaganda is popular with Canadians and something Canadians want. Let them remember to find out how much they do want it, which is not very few people want to pay for CDC, even when they like it. They don't want to pay for it. The liberals,
Coffee Breath Conversations:they really sort of kind of spun this this tale that, that they're going to help everyone and that they're going to fix all these issues. But and when they fail, instead of taking responsibility for that failure, which has been almost everything it they always go back to blaming blaming Steve Harper, you know, I'm pretty sure that guy was six years ago, when I don't
Marc Emery:hear them blaming Harper, every now and then they try. But people don't really buy that right like is it's a faded memory now. But that having been said governments never take response. I've never heard a government admit they made a mistake. I hear Trudeau apologize for the mistakes government's made 100 years ago, but I've never heard him apologize for any mistake his government's made. Right. And that's the coin of the realm is hypocrisy. Right? It's always someone else's fault. And that's but that's now it's our whole society. We live in a victim mentality. Everybody blames everybody else. Nobody wants to take this personal responsibility. You said that's the corroboree just freedom is that it comes in personified. I think they're completely separate. Our rights are guaranteed, regardless of whatever else we believe. And we need that if I write down guarantee does, nobody's going to be responsible, people are only going to be responsible if they have rights, and we force them to acknowledge it. In other words, if I'm free to eat what I want, and I make a mistake, then I shouldn't be bailed out. And if I make a mistake in any number of ways, that are my own decision, where I found it was beneficial to me to make that decision. People have to be able to accept that was me. I did that boy, I fucked up big. But now everybody, every institution, every government, and most citizens are so anxious to blame someone else for any predicament that we're in. So we don't have a responsible. We have a licentious society where people want to do stuff, but they don't want to be responsible for it.
Coffee Breath Conversations:So what made you want to run for the PPC of all the different parties that are available? Why the PPC above all else?
Marc Emery:Well, it's the only one I would even think of First of all, I love Maxine, Bernie, really decent gentlemen. Not like me. I'm an arrogant, mousy guy. After 40 years of doing this. I'm very intolerant in a way that people's willingness to candover our country to dictatorship with absolutely no fight. No resistance just ended over like the Vici fringe in 1940 year, take our country, turn it into a fascist, totalitarian state, right. Well, I'm really shocked by how that's all happened. So the BBC is great. I love everybody in it. And you know what, we don't always agree. There are a lot of people that are against abortion, even though I would never criminalize abortion, I wouldn't criminalize anybody's personal decision about what happens with their reproductive organs, right, sex wise, reproduction wise, Pregnancy wise. I'm not going to criminalize that because you criminalize abortion, let's say we say abortion is murder. Well, not only is the woman committing murder, but the boyfriend, advisor to get it is committing murder, then the nurses who help or reading or the doctors who help any facility that might have held any pills that were sold to them will be murdered. So it's really totally impossible to criminalize abortion. I sympathize with those who are against abortion. It's a nasty business. But it's not ever going to work to criminalize it as well doesn't. But that having been said, I understand them. So the People's Party as people who are against abortion, and in favor of choice and abortion, we have people who are against drug liberalization. But we have some people who want to legalize all drugs like I do. So you we have a lot of issues, I like the fact that candidates that are chosen are free to advocate their own point of view on drugs, abortion, on other issues. And then there's one where the party was solid, like on good critical, critical race theory, gender ideology, gas, pipelines, nuclear power, energy, all of us tend to agree on those issues in the party. So that's why when you hear max talk, he generally picks the ones that have a wide consensus in the party. And he emphasizes those, and then he leaves each candidate to advocate what they feel in their conscience is important.
Coffee Breath Conversations:But isn't that good, though, because each area of Canada is going to have different people with different opinions and you want to elect someone that's representative of your community, not just someone that's going to be whipped by a party?
Marc Emery:Well, that's a lie. Really. I mean, I'm by my community, I'm representing my own point of view, I spent 40 years developing a paradigm by which I look at the world. I'm not changing any fucking 100% of the people disagree with it. That's the way you voted for me. This is what I stand for. And I'm going to do that yet. Well, I listen to you, I listen to people every day, I get hundreds of letters a week, from people in all sorts of kinds of situations. And I reply to every last one of them, including the people that sometimes say they hate me as well, but I can feel the pain. Right? So we should listen to people. But would I change? Would I somehow become a favorite critical race theory? If the majority favorite? No. Would I somehow adopt gender ideology? You know, favorably, no, never won't happen, no matter how many people come to me, right? When I say we're like ending all industrial production, mining and lumber, and new give No, none of that doesn't matter. 70 80% of the people. So I'm putting myself up for less with a point of view, and a philosophy and an overall way of looking at the world. And presumably, if I were somehow elected, that would be it. I would not be changing my mind. And 60 70% of the people felt differently. So no, I don't by that. I don't think anybody ever does that. The only way an MP would actually solicit the views of his constituents as if he had no opinion whatsoever. And I have an opinion upon his.
Coffee Breath Conversations:What do you think the What do you think the chances are this election of PPC securing seats?
Marc Emery:That's not happening. I want Maxime to get his seat. That's important. But you know, what if we get 5% of the vote across the country, that's spectacular. That means one in 20, Canadians chose a brand new party that's only been around for three years. That would be amazing. And anything above that is spectacular. So when I see polls showing 567 8%, I can't believe it. I'm like, wow, there's a little bit of a wave going on. But you know what, it might even get higher, it might get 910 12 13%. But you know what, it's going to be a close race between O'Toole and Troodos assholes in the Liberal Party. So essentially, at the last minute like to happen through the Green Party are probably facing total collapse this election, you know, after 38 years, the Green Party would always drop because at the last minute, people would start voting strategically, which is an insane way to vote, because you only get one vote. Has anybody ever heard of an MP that one by one vote? No. Right? So your vote is not going to make the difference anywhere. It's just one vote added to the total, right. And whenever people say it's a wasted vote, I always go, Well, every votes wasted except for the guy that won. His votes were important. But every other votes, since they didn't do anything, were wasted, right? They didn't get elected. What good's your vote for anybody who doesn't you come second, third, fourth, or fifth? those votes are all the same. They didn't win, right? So if you vote on that basis, you'll always be unhappy. Whereas I'm always happy with my vote, because I always vote for the underdog can't win the people who reflect how I feel. But my my point of view is a minority. So actually, when I see 567 8%, I'm astonished and delighted and hope we can do better. But if we do 5% on election night,
Coffee Breath Conversations:I'm gonna be so happy. During the first liberal election, Trudeau had promised that he was going to end first pass the post. So there was going to be the last election we do in first past the post and that he was going to explore different options. Are you in favor first pass the poster? Do you think that we could do things differently?
Marc Emery:Or you could do things differently? I don't mind a weighted ballot, that tends to get evermore that'll always be a centrist left government though. A proportional representation would be best for the People's Party, because usually what happens is anything over 2% you get that percentage parliament. So if we pulled 5%, theoretically, we should have 5% of the seats, which I would love. Five, you know, in 338 people in Parliament 5% is like 17 members of the People's Party in Parliament, that would be awesome. We'd be we'd have all party status, we could do stuff, we could speak in Parliament. And we'd have a very radical voice by comparison with the other parties. So proportional representation would be great, but we'll never get it. Like they're No, the liberals and conservatives are never going to change that because they benefit Cui Bono who benefits the liberals and the conservatives. So they're always going to have first pass, suppose we will never see electoral change. And if we do, like the cannabis act, it's going to be written to design the powers that exist. The bureaucracy, the crony capitalist Friends of the liberal and or Conservative Party, right, the political establishment, the banking establishment, everybody who's in on the gravy train, at the expense of the taxpayer, always benefits by everything Parliament ever does. They are never going to let proportional representation happen. And they're probably if they chose a weighted ballot that would almost always guarantee a liberal NDP government or maybe a conservative Liberal government or country, you know, that type of thing.
Coffee Breath Conversations:I grew up in Ontario, I live out west. Now, since I moved out west about nine years ago, I've really kind of seen a lot of people a West are really unhappy with their representation they have in government, they they feel like they're kind of left over the entire process, despite kind of being the economic powerhouse of the country. How does how, how do we give some power back to the west, where people can have more control over how the resources are allocated across the country.
Marc Emery:I'm not buying your parent, your premise. First of all, we all benefit if we all have the same rights, and we should all have lots of rights and lots of freedom, we should have a very capitalist environment across Canada. We shouldn't have to pander to Alberta any more than we have to pander should pander to Quebec, we should all have the same level playing field, we should all be living in a capitalist environment where opportunity begets investment, which begets profit, which begets success. And that's the kind of ethos we should have for everybody in Canada. That's why I love Maxime, because he doesn't go around saying, you know, Alberta needs to be treated better than the rest of Canada, they need to be treated fairly. And that's very important. Quebec gets the lion's share of the consideration from the government. But that's because the political parties, including the conservatives are extremely corrupt. We need fairness, we need justice. And we need Maxime Bernier as Prime Minister and the People's Party to be the majority government. And that might take two or three more elections, but it's coming, because the others are going to fail this country terribly. We will not be successful with the conservatives or the liberals and the NDP or the greens, they are going to fail us the block is going to fail us. And so sooner or later, generation may be away, we're going to have a People's Party government. And of course, there'll be a lot of mess, fabulous debt, incredible taxation will have been imposed on the country. So to cut taxes and cut spending is going to cause a lot of people on that gravy train to be hurt.
Coffee Breath Conversations:What are your thoughts on government procurement and how the government procures resources from private industry? I got no opinion on that, because I'm not knowledgeable, so I couldn't discuss it. Okay, fair enough. Mark, do you support free trade with USA and Mexico?
Marc Emery:Absolutely, I do. Now there are risks, right, because things can produce much cheaper in Mexico than they can in the United States and Canada, Canada. But Canada has got to understand we're not going to be a manufacturing center. We're not going to be a distribution. You know, King when you're got five time zones across Canada, and a second largest landmass with only 37 million people. We don't have the economy of scale job and efficient manufacturing sector. We have doesn't matter what economy scale, we've got resources, gold, nickel, minerals, silver lumber was billions and billions of trees and no matter how many burned down or get cut down, there's billions more going up. 10 years later, you don't even recognize where there was a forest fires or where pine beetles, you know, destroyed trees, they grow back. Right oil is infinite weeds. It's just it's a renewable resource. And it's it's organic, it's under the earth and there's a ton more of it. There's a lot of gas, we got endless amounts of plutonium to make nuclear power. We never need to suffer from energy shortages for decades, for millennia, right? We're going to have it all if we just are willing to go get it and face up to the fact that energy has byproduct, not so much nuclear power, but other forms of energy, have byproducts and we learned need to learn how to deal efficiently with them, but not deny that they are produced by our use of power so we can stay warm or cold depending on air conditioning. So we can drive everywhere in wonderful cars, electric or gas right? We are a very consumptive country Canadians are spoiled beyond belief. So we like to live good. We're not Bangladeshis, we're not used to struggling. We're used to live in good in a country that provided us with that opportunity. Because we have everything here. We have humans that can do it. We have good thinkers, we've got great educated minds. And we've got every resource this planet as gifted humanity in this country. And that's where our future is. There is no other future to that. Well, Mark,
Coffee Breath Conversations:I really want to appreciate coming on the show today and having this talk. I actually really appreciate that you challenge some my views because it makes me after think and after the show's done, I'm definitely going to be doing some additional thinking on some of my own points of view. So I really appreciate it. Okay, thanks for having me on.